UCC Was Not A 'Gun Free Zone'

UCC Was Not A 'Gun Free Zone' Because Public Colleges In Oregon Can't Ban Guns | ThinkProgress:

Yes, it was.
They're liberals, they lie .. but they are so sly and we are so stupid that sometimes we even tempted to believe them!

They say that we CAN carry guns on campus to defend ourselves, but they carefully don't mention the fly in the ointment:   Oregon State Colleges (Universities) can keep you from carrying a weapon on any campus by simply refusing you permission to "carry" inside any building (or all buildings) by simply denying you permission.  And it's legal.

Roseburg, Oregon is in Douglas County, and even the county sheriff  has said that he will not enforce certain Oregon laws which are, in his words, "not enforceable",  But that doesn't mean that the laws are not still in force.

THE PASSIVE/AGGRESSIVE EFFECT OF A NON-COMPLIANT BUREAUCRACY!

Think Progress made an effort to dispute the GUN FREE ZONE issue, which many pro-gun people have cited as the reason why the murderer chose that venue for his massacre,

On Thursday, a shooter reported killed at least 13 people and injured many others at a community college in Oregon. Just minutes after the incident, commentators sought to attribute the incident to the fact that Umpqua Community College was a “gun free zone.” “The gun free zones are the areas that tell licensed gun owners that you are not allowed to carry your weapon in this facility…If you’re going to perpetrate some act, you know that most people are not going to be armed,” CNN “military analyst” Rick Francona said a few minutes after the shooting. A retired Navy Seal, Jonathan Gilliam, also appearing on CNN, went even further. Blaming the “gun free zone” for the scope of the tragedy and adding “the only thing that’s going to stop a gun is another gun.”

Okay so far, but here's the unspoken hitch:  You NEED PERMISSION to carry a gun on campus, and you can get permission; but you have to ask for it.  Oh, like how long is THAT going to take?

UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM

The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun [sic] from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus. 
There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus.

COMMENT:

Of course it's true that Oregon Law allows "licensed gun owners" to carry a concealed firearm on the property of public schools .. including college campuses.  (That is, gun owners who have applied for, and passed stringent background checks, to carry a concealed firearm within the auspices of a Concealed Handgun License";  note that in Oregon the right to own a firearm is not subject to license.)

However, note that "... they could ban gun(s) from various buildings and facilities".

Read:  ANY  building and/or facility!

I don't know what the "Policy" is at UCC, but at OSU (Oregon State University) those "various buildings and facilities" translates to "ANY Building And Or Facility" ... not written in online policy statements, but quite clear.  Until a few months ago, colleges/universities in the Oregon University System all subscribed to the NO GUNS ON CAMPUS rule, which they can enforce by designating ALL buildings and facilities as no-gun zones.

(The Oregon University System has been magically eliminated as of June, 2015, which coincidentally makes it a lot easier for state-level administrators to say "we had nothing to do with this", and college-lever administrators to say "oh, this was grandfathered in, we didn't notice this".)

And so, since there doesn't seem to be a list of facilities which are designated as "It's Okay For You To Carry A Gun Here" buildings or facilities, colleges can strongly discourage gun-toting on any college or university campus without making a clear statement where people "MAY" carry.

In the meantime, should any student or staff or faculty member be bold enough to carry concealed anywhere on campus (and if you don't stay concealed, who's to know?) and be found out, it might happen that the building or facility where he or she wandered during that period just coincidentally happens to be one of those buildings or facilities where the College Administration has conveniently NOT provided "Written Authorization" for that individual to carry.

In other words, if you CHL on a college campus, you need to secure "Written Authorization" for every structure where you might enter.

In a major university, that could include literally dozens of structures.

Do you see the sly machinations here?

 "Sure, you can carry anywhere you want.  Just fill out these forms .. one for each structure.  The building where your office is?  Where you go to coffee?  Where you have meetings with workers in other departments?  All of them?  Where you stop to pee on your way back from work?  The Administration building?  Absolutely, just give fill out these forms and wait for the committee to review and verify and ...... "

There's nothing in the law which provides a minimum amount of time to process each 'request'.

It's called "Passive Aggressive Behavior".

And it has been institutionalized.

In the meantime, we hear from ThinkProgress (always a fun of individual constitutional rights .. especially the Second Amendment to the Constitution) that "Why so glum?  You can do this!  Just fill out the forms, and we'll get right on it!"

Really, do they think we are THAT stupid?